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Unveiling

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The hub read the first two chapters of Job aloud while I sipped my second cup of coffee.  Then he flipped ahead several pages and read the end of the story.

“Don’t worry,” he said.

I recognized those words as a reference to yesterday’s post which, he said, brought Job to mind.

“I know I’ve said it before,” I remarked, “but I’m always struck by the ending. Before Job’s face to face encounter with God – when his ears had heard of Him, but his eyes had not yet seen Him – back when he spoke of things he did not understand, his daughters were not in the party hosting rotation, they were always mere guests.

But after he saw God and spoke with Him face to face, he saw things more clearly. And suddenly his new daughters were named in Scripture and they were given a portion of his inheritance.”

Because once you really know God, you understand the value of women.

Which is why I am disenthralled with pastors who hold so tightly to the mis-teachings and/or mistranslations of Paul when it comes to the role of women in the church. They have heard of God, but they have not seen Him. Their knowledge of Him is limited by their loyalty to the traditions of men.  Like Job, they are going through the motions. And, like Job, I am sure they are sincere in their reverence for God. They just don’t know what they are talking about. Who they are talking about. And I have a hard time sitting in their audiences.

If those pastors had ever really seen Him, they, like Job, would completely change their minds about God’s daughters and give them an equal share of His inheritance – and an equal opportunity to host His parties.

The hub said, “Amen.”

And then he went fishing.

But before he left I told him I am asking God to unveil Himself in a mighty way in Detroit on July 25.

Being a man of action, the hub immediately made the sound of something exploding. “Maybe the statue will be struck by lighting, or disintegrate before their very eyes.”

I, being a woman of contemplation, added, “or maybe He will do the Damascus Road thing – you know, speak to the leaders of the event and ask them why they are persecuting Him.

Whether it is a spectacular external sign like the one with Elijah on Mt. Carmel, or a subtle internal movement like the one in the heart of the thief on the cross, is up to Him.

Either way, or both ways, it will be powerful.

Copyright 2015, Light & life

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11 thoughts on “Unveiling

  1. I’ve lost several “friends” behind this subject. I am the son and nephew of female pastors. I was raised where women were very prominent in ministry…so it’s second nature to me. It’s natural. I told them that if there was no fruit to follow behind them, I probably would have been more supportive of their stance…but having witnessed the fruit of their labors, I was/am inclined to disagree with them. I believe women can be and are just as effective in advancing the Kingdom in whatever capacity God chooses to use them in…

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    • I’ve lost “friends” over this subject, too. In fact I was pretty much shunned by most of the women at the church I used to attend. It’s sad and sinful and disappointing that people who claim to love God would subjugate the representatives of 50% of His image.

      God bless your mom and your aunt. May they continue to produce much fruit.

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  2. Alma Mater says:

    But after he saw God and spoke with Him face to face, he saw things more clearly. And suddenly his new daughters were named in Scripture and they were given a portion of his inheritance.

    This is a really interesting insight. I like it. None of the sons, original or new, are named. It really gives even more emphasis to naming the new daughters, when in most genealogies, it is the women who go unnamed.

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    • Pastors who believe Paul said women can’t teach, and ignore that he said in Christ there is no male of female, slave or free, Jew of gentile, etc. And who also ignore the fact that he co-labored with them. Again, a quick reply must do today.

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      • David says:

        First of all, correct, there is no male, femal, slave or free in Christ. However, that has NOTHING to do with the subject of teaching in the church. The husband is still the head of the family, and it is still men that are to lead the church and women are not to be over men. You took that verse way out of context.

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        • “The husband is still the head of the family”

          When did Jesus say that? When did His Father say that? Which of the OT prophets said that? Where does the Law say that?

          “it is still men that are to lead the church”

          When did Jesus say that? When did His Father say that? Which of the OT prophets said that? Where does the Law say that?

          “women are not to be over men”

          When did Jesus say that? When did His Father say that? Which of the OT prophets said that? Where does the Law say that?

          Deborah was both a prophet and a judge. She was over men. She was one of only two people to whom God gave that honor. So, hmmm.

          “You took that verse way out of context.”

          I used the verse as an illustration of the inconsistencies in the translation and teaching of Paul’s letters. On the one hand, we are taught that he commended his female co-laboreres, and that the cross changed the old order of things, and at the same time, we are fed passages that are translated and taught in such a way as to support the Old order of things – the old Babylonian Talmud-inspired misogyny. God created us in His image – male and female. You might need to get to know Him a little better if you think that He would deny any rights or privileges to half of the representation of Himself.

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          • David says:

            Scripture is more than just the words of Christ. And as far as the law, it is QUITE clear that the men were the head of the family and the leaders.

            Deborah was not over men. The judges and prophets were messengers, they were not “over” anyone.

            Paul was saying that salvation is no respecter of gender, color, etc. It had nothing to do with the role of the genders in leadership of the church.

            Those two passages do not relate to each other, they are talking about very different things which is exactly why I said you took it out of context.

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            • “Scripture is more than just the words of Christ. And as far as the law, it is QUITE clear that the men were the head of the family and the leaders.”

              Well, considering all of Scripture points to Christ, and tells His story, then I would think His words would reign supreme. And I would hope we would be suspicious of any words that are not corroborated by Him. Otherwise, it becomes Paul’s church and not His.

              Again, I ask, where in the Law is it “QUITE clear”?

              Prophets and judges were spiritual leaders. There were no secular leaders among God’s people at the time. Secular leaders did not come into play until the people demanded to be like everyone else – demanded a king. So, yes, God put Deborah in a role that gave her spiritual authority over men. So when does the Law say women are not supposed to be over men?

              Paul wrote similar words to the Galatians, the Corinthians and the Colossians. In none of them was the context salvation. The context of his letter to the Galatians (the only one of the three that includes “male and female”) is our standing (worth) in Christ. In his letter to the Corinthians, the context is unity and diversity in the church, and in his letter to the Colossians it is living as those made alive in Christ. “Take off your old practices,” he wrote, “and put on your new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.” The old self subjugated people (including women), take off that old self, he said.

              Perhaps today God is giving you the opportunity to renew your knowledge of the Creator. It wouldn’t hurt to ask.

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